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[vox] Re: [vox-tech] Sig line [ newbie annoyed with tin ]

note: redirected to vox, since IMHO, this falls under the realm of
opinion and writing style.

looks like i'm a libertarian again.

i definitely see merit with both styles, although use of both styles in
one email is positively deadly (like i just did).

when i read an email exchange without point by point arguing, i much
prefer seeing replies on top.   if people start to respond by "points",
then replies on bottom are much preferable to me.

although i think both styles have their merit, i think it's laughable
that ESR would call a style "deprecated".  even if rod's method had no
merit whatsoever, having the gall to call someone's quoting style
"deprecated" is an act of hubris.

it would be like me declaring the (1 -1 -1 -1) signature for special
relativity to be "deprecated" (which i would dearly love to do).  i'd
have many phd's to contend with, and phd's tend to be bad people to
argue with because they're all convinced they know it all.

i wish it were clear which method is best.   the fact that it's not
clear to me is a good indication that the best method is whatever the
individual wants.  that's the way thomas jefferson would want it,


begin Karsten M. Self <kmself@ix.netcom.com> 
> on Tue, Jan 28, 2003 at 09:52:55AM -0800, Rod Roark (rod@sunsetsystems.com) wrote:
> > Actually I don't much care for that behavior in mail readers.  Many
> > times (like this) I reply at the top of the message (so people don't
> > have to go scrolling for it), and if my sig immediately follows then
> > all the rest will be chopped when someone else replies -- whether they
> > want that or not.
> >
> > No big deal, but I'd much rather have to edit out a sig or two, and
> > have the flexibility of composing a reply as I see fit.
> "Email Quoting" from the Jargon File.
> http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/jargon/html/Email-Quotes.html
>     Most netters view an inclusion as a promise that comment on it will
>     immediately follow. The preferred, conversational style looks like
>     this:
> 	 > relevant excerpt 1
> 	 response to excerpt
>          > relevant excerpt 2
>          response to excerpt
>          > relevant excerpt 3
>          response to excerpt
>     or for short messages like this:
>          > entire message
> 	 response to message
>     Thanks to poor design of some PC-based mail agents, one will
>     occasionally see the entire quoted message after the response, like
>     this:
>          response to message
>          > entire message
>     but this practice is strongly deprecated.
> Nick Moffitt puts this rather more succinctly:
>     A: No.
>     Q: Should I include quotations after my reply?
> It's strongly recommended practice.  On lists with high volume, I target
> my reading (and responses) to those posts which best follow traditional
> quoting, wrap, trim, attribution, and followup (threading) protocols.
> To say nothing of using something remotely resembling standard grammer,
> sPelLInG, and word cased.  You're extending your audience by using
> these.
> I've explicitly *left* lists at which the majority of users (and/or
> their tools) break such traditions, or killfiled people who can't seem
> to grasp these basic concepts where the readership (authorship?) as a
> whole does have a clue.  It's not worth my limited cycles to deal with
> *your* lack of protocol.
> Or as I put it:  write as if you're asking your reader a favor.  Very
> often you are.
> Peace.

First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you,
then you win. -- Gandhi, being prophetic about Linux.

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