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Re: [vox] code sleuths needed - cheating suspected
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Re: [vox] code sleuths needed - cheating suspected

----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Jay Salzman" <p@dirac.org>
To: <vox@lists.lugod.org>
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 3:00 AM
Subject: Re: [vox] code sleuths needed - cheating suspected

> actually, there are no exams in this class.  it's pass/fail and
> dependent completely on the homeworks.
> as for understanding ... it's hard to say.  often physicists use
> algorithms without really understanding them.  even i'm guilty of using
> the jacobi algorithm for diagonalizing matrices and not knowing the
> details of the algorithm (although i have a "big picture" understanding
> of it).
> btw, it came out that the code *was* passed from one student to the
> other.  i got a confession from the giver.   but the giver of the code
> gave it to help understanding, and didn't intend for it be copied.
> i'm meeting with the taker in a couple of hours.  i'm curious if the
> student will stick to "i didn't copy the code" when i tell the student
> that i know that a copy of the program exchanged hands.
> you know, i don't even mind people sharing code.  if it's used to help
> understanding.  maybe that's too much of a temptation.  maybe i
> should mind it.
> pete
> begin Rod Roark <rod@sunsetsystems.com>
> > I tend to agree with this.  Also the main purpose of doing
> > homework is (or should be) to learn.  If a student copies
> > someone else's work, they are mostly cheating themselves
> > and will not do very well at exam time.
> >
> > Here's a question to ask: "Wouldn't you rather understand
> > this than fool me into thinking you understand it?".
> >
> > -- Rod
> >    http://www.sunsetsystems.com/
> >
> > On Wednesday 13 November 2002 01:01 pm, John McDonnell wrote:
> > > It would appear that on Wed, 13 Nov 2002, Peter Jay Salzman did say:
> > > > i just don't want to give credit for the homework if it was copied.
> > >
> > > IMHO, the point of the exercise would be to see if the students
> > > the task set to them. Confront the student you suspect of being less
> > > honest and ask 'em to walk you through the code. If they understand
> > > going on and can lead you through it, no problem, they understand the
> > > code. If they can't, they obviously don't get the concept and may need
> > > more help, or else may need to listen more ;)
> > >
> > > johnmc.
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