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Re: [vox] Dealing with "God Coders" (was: cheating suspected)
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Re: [vox] Dealing with "God Coders" (was: cheating suspected)

Everyone should code in assembly.  That'll teach them to comment!

-Mark (codes in assembly day and night...)

On Wed, 13 Nov 2002, ME wrote:

> If commented code was rewarded equally with features, lack of bugs,
> ability to work well with others, and be on time with deadlines and
> projects, then there might be more drive for coders to comment.
> However, the western work ethic of sacrificing the future work and support
> (TCO) for higher immediate productivity reigns supreme.
> Employees who do not comment code increse the company's *need* for the
> employee, and effectively enhance job security. An employee would be hard
> to convince to alter their action to benefit the company and risk thier
> own safety.
> I say, force people to cross support each other's projects and then
> provide a peer based forum for live review of coder's work. The manager
> can pick the code they dislike the most (maybe something from 6 months
> back) and the put the coder on the spot with zero notice of which code
> they would be reviewing.
> Then the coder must explain their old project to their peers.
> Their God status quickly is lost if they dont remember and have no comments.
> IBM has employed this with their coders. It is brutish, but quickly gets
> people to make code that at least *they* can understand with zerto prep
> time 6 months later. ]:>
> Bob said:
> > I sure hope you take credit off for lack of comments and poor
> > formatting. My pet peeve is that the people teaching people to code
> > ignore the fact that the code should be readable and heavily commented.
> > True, it's overkill for one liner's but once the habit is learned (to
> > not comment) it's really hard to break.
> >
> > Then, as an employer, I have to baby sit these self-proclaimed code gods
> > who think their code is perfect without comments and everyone else is a
> > fool..
> >
> > It's been my take (after taking many programming courses) that
> > commenting and layout is not on very many professors agenda.  I
> > personally think that it's because they've never had to find a bug at
> > 3am in some X year old legacy code..
> >
> > bobm
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Peter Jay Salzman" <p@dirac.org>
> > To: <vox@lists.lugod.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 12:36 PM
> > Subject: Re: [vox] code sleuths needed - cheating suspected
> >
> >
> >> just for the record, i don't want to get anyone in trouble.  i don't
> >> plan on making it "official" or anything.  i just don't want to give
> >> credit for the homework if it was copied.
> >>
> >> so i guess maybe it's silly to even worry about it in the first place.
> >>
> >> pete
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