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Re: [vox] [OT] (really OT) question about ireland
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Re: [vox] [OT] (really OT) question about ireland

hi jim,

ok, that explains it.  two different states.  wierd that i never knew
that before.

begin Jim Long <james_howard_long@yahoo.com> 
> My understanding is that the whole island of Ireland was once a British
> colony.  Ireland was catholic and Britain [technically the United Kingdom]
> was mainly protestant.  But under British colonial rule (1600's to 1900's?),
> some protestant settlers moved from Britain to the island of Ireland.

i believe this was the war in which the (protestant) british nobility
invited the (protestant) dutch king william II of orange to invade and
take over from (catholic) james II of the house of stuart.

> Later
> Britain pulled out of all of Ireland except for the northeast corner (which
> is now the "state" of Northern Ireland -- part of the United Kingdom).

do you have any idea when this happened?  and why?  this was just before
a huge colonial expansion, and i'm curious why they'd pull out.  seems
like this was the time they'd be least likely to pull out.

thanks for clearing this up.  i had no idea the island of ireland was


> The
> Irish Republic (the rest of Ireland -- now an independent country consisting
> mostly of Catholics) would like the British "state" of Northern Ireland to
> become part of it (as would the Catholics living in the British "state" of
> Northern Ireland).  But the Protestants living in Northern Ireland want to
> remain loyal to Britain (hence the term "loyalist") since most of their
> cultural ties are to Britain -- so they burn the Irish flag (the flag of the
> Irish Republic) to show they don't want to be part of that country.
> Jim
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vox-admin@lists.lugod.org [mailto:vox-admin@lists.lugod.org]On
> Behalf Of Peter Jay Salzman
> Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 9:38 PM
> To: Linux User Group of Davis
> Subject: [vox] [OT] (really OT) question about ireland
> i understand why the irish catholics like king james II and why the
> irish protestants like king william of orange.  but i was reading a news
> article and came across a paragraph which i don't understand:
>    At bonfires all over Belfast ushering in Friday's anniversary, huge
>    [irish protestant] cheers went up as the flames tore into Irish
>    tricolor flags and other symbols of Catholic nationalists who want to
>    unite the province with the Irish Republic to the south.
> never mind the fact that it seems strange that irish protestants would
> burn the irish flag, whether they're loyalist or not...
> unite?  unite with what?
> this seems to say that the island just west of england is two countries:
> north ireland (where the protestant/loyalist/orangemen bonfires were
> lit) and south ireland.
> i was under the impression that the whole thing was the same country and
> part of the united kingdom.  that paragraph sounds like this is wrong.
> what's the scoop?   if they're separate countries and one of them isn't
> part of the UK, what happened?  AFAIK, william III soundly defeated
> james II and won control over england and its territories.
> totally confused,
> pete
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