Re: apt-like package management on rpm based systems Was: [vox] boy, was
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Re: apt-like package management on rpm based systems Was: [vox] boy, was that fast!
Quoting Peter Jay Salzman (email@example.com):
> debian's strict adherence to packaging policy does have magic, but
> saying that apt-get has none of its own might be overstating the case a
> simply the fact that rpm based distros are starting to come up with
> utilities that emulate the functionality of apt-get is proof enough that
> people think apt-get has alot of stars placed next to its name.
If you'll notice the context, I was attempting to address the (widely
held) misconception that simply adding Conectiva's apt-get port (or
something similar) to an existing RPM-like distribution gives it
Debian's maintainability. And to point out that nothing prevents
an approxmiation of Debian-like functionality on RPM. Conectiva has
>> Linux-Mandrake, Red Hat, SuSE, TurboLinux, and a whole bunch of others
>> _cannot_ be as incrementally maintainable as Debian (and Libranet) is.
>> It's not the fact that they use RPM: RPM is a perfectly fine package
>> format. It's pretty much all in the policy.
> again, here, i'm not sure i agree. one of the most powerful components
> of the debian packaging system is the ability to run pre-install and
> post-install scripts.
You are mistaken: RPM supports both pre-install and post-install
> as it stands, rpm is incapable of doing this.
Tell Joey Hess that: http://www.kitenet.net/~joey/pkg-comp/
One of the reasons Joey maintains that page is that he gets really tired
of people missing the point about package formats, and _particularly_
for attributing to the RPM format problems it doesn't have.
In case you don't know Joey, he's a longtime maintainer of RPMs who's
now one of the main Debian developers (maintainer of many official
packages), who also developed and maintains the "alien"
Ironically, one of RPM's features that's proved most problematic for
the Conectiva people and others is a capability it has that .deb lacks
completely: file dependencies. Automatically satisfying these as part
of managing the dependency tree can drive the RAM and processor
requirements for apt-get and similar systems sky-high.
> i read an article in LJ a year or two ago which claimed that people
> were looking into a backward compatible "rpm2" which had script
> capability. i'm not sure whatever happened to that.
I'm not sure you read, but you appear to have not gotten that right.
Have a look: http://www.rpm.org/RPM-HOWTO/build.html#SCRIPTS
("6.7. Optional pre and post Install/Uninstall Scripts").
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