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I also agree with Joel, that unions once their purpose but are no longer
really necessary.  Unions have gotten way out of control.  For example, I
was recently hired with American Medical Response in Sacramento County, and,
in doing so was made to join Local 250 (the Healthcare Workers Union).
About the time I was hired, the AMR contract expired.  The union voted to
strike, probably a week before my hire date.  Immediately after my
"initiation" into the union, I was told that I was expected to strike a week
from that day.  Now, for my 1st year of employment I am a probationary
employee (i.e. can be fired at will).  Now, if I were to strike (an action
which was voted on before my hiring) management couldn't fire me for that,
but could easily find something afterwards to can me for, something to union
couldn't stop.  I have a problem with any organization who expects it's
members to blindly follow something they don't believe in, never had a say
in, and could result in their termination.  Fortunately, a judge ruled, for
various reasons, that the strike would be illegal and so it never happened.
Anyone want to know why the union wanted to strike?  Union leadership
promised the employees an $8/hr raise, and didn't want to renig on that
promise.  If you ask me, this whole union thing is a farce.  At least my
union is...

Patrick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rusty Minden" <clownsinc@home.com>
To: <vox@franz.mother.com>
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 9:30 PM
Subject: Re: [vox] [OT] unions


> I tend to dislike UNIONS they are very political and tend to swing to the
> left. I have found that they swing further to the left than the members in
> most cases spending much of the money from dues for political uses. I have
> the same problem with the Christian Coalition, but at least they don't
hold
> your job hostage if you disagree.
>
> My wife works for Pacific Bell (SBC) and is a member of CWA local (I have
no
> idea), but she likes being in the union and they have been very good for
her,
> but they do spend allot of money to help elect people that I do not agree
> with politically. So that was my mixed message opinion.
>
> Rusty
>
> On Friday 24 August 2001 04:43 pm, you wrote:
> > On Fri, 24 Aug 2001, George Thomas Finch wrote:
> > > Should we vote to establish VOX-POLITICS ?
> > >     This might also be useful for the copyright/carnivore/NSA/US vs.
> > > MS/Big Brother/DMCA etc. discussins that keep popping up..:-)
> >
> > Are you trying to marginalize Joel, George?  I will defend his right to
> > make a fool of himself right here in public!  ;-)
> >
> > > George
> > >
> > > > I think that unions had a purpose in the past, but government
> > > > regulation has made them less and less useful.
> >
> > Here Joel says they are purposeless because of government regulation (a
> > known Bad Thing(tm) ), but below he argues that the government hasn't
gone
> > far enough!  Are you feverish, Joel?
> >
> > > > Normal everyday
> > > > structures provide most members with enough portable benefits
> > > > and security that I don't understand why this outdated
> > > > feature has not been banned! :-)
> > > >
> > > > Joel
> >
> > (Definitely LOL!)
> >
>
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