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True enough that when a man does it, it's a crime or
somehow vulgar and brutish, yet when a woman does it,
it is perceived as being "innocent fun" or somesuch. I
say shame on us as a society for perpetuating this and
many other such double standards. I guess this
phenomenon (and many other similar issues) is based on
a historical precedent wherein the group in question
(woment in this case) *was* treated unjustly. However,
that is no basis for tilting unfairly in the other
--- Don Werve <donw@examen.com> wrote:
> Debi wrote:
> > 
> > At 03:40 PM 6/22/01 , Mark K. Kim wrote:
> > 
> > > Oh man~ we got minors on our list.
> > >
> > > -Mark
> > 
> > And "we" have women who don't appreciate being
> viewed as objects or
> > toys.  I've been thinking about joining, but now I
> wonder if this
> > organization is for me...
> > 
> > Here's a page for you, Gabe:
> > http://www.cs.utk.edu/~bartley/other/10Things.html
> > 
> *sigh*  My ex-girlfriend was a staunch and very
> stubborn femininist, so
> I was hit by this quite a bit.  Yes, there *are*
> some problems in modern
> society with discrimination towards women, but for
> the most part these
> problems have been resolved (the Equal Pay is the
> biggest problem by
> far), or relegated to a minor status.  On the flip
> side, men are now
> scared *less about sexual harassment lawsuits; I
> have a friend who was
> dragged up to HR for complementing a cute lass who
> *happened* to be a
> co-worker on a really nifty silk blouse.  Nothing
> came of it -- but only
> because my friend was gay.
> The thing that bugs me is the double-standard; there
> can be an "office
> hunk" and not an "office babe".
> Yes, sex is everywhere.  Sex is a very basic desire,
> along the same
> lines as hunger (although not as intense).  It is a
> part of who we are;
> by denying it, we deny ourselves.  "Sex sells" just
> doesn't apply to
> women, either -- ever see a Marlboro add?  Ads for
> Bowflex?  Men are
> exploited the same way; and most men (and women)
> accept this as a
> natural thing.
> Violence against women?  Look at spousal abuse rates
> in Amsterdam --
> they are much lower than the U.S.; yet prostitution
> is legal,
> pornography can be purchased at 15, and gay marriage
> is completely
> upheld.  Showing a model in a swimsuit holding a
> stuffed penguin
> encourages violence...how?  Why doesn't it encourage
> violence against
> stuffed penguins?
> So am I for equality?  Yes.  Am I for the
> subjugation of men?  No.
> -- 
> Don Werve <donw@examen.com>
> Jr. Unix System Administrator
> "Fear is the mind-killer." (Frank Herbert)

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