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Re: [vox-tech] Compile Question

on Fri, Apr 08, 2005 at 06:16:41PM -0700, Rick Moen (rick@linuxmafia.com) wrote:
> Quoting Henry House (hajhouse@houseag.com):
> > I'm glad you were able to make progress.
> > 
> > Tips for future reference:
> > 
> > - "dpkg -l |grep kde" tells you if you have any packages with "kde" in their
> >   names installed
> > - Debian development packages almost always are named lib*dev, so, for
> >   example, you know that you don't have what you need to compile with KDE
> >   if you don't have a package with both kde and dev in its name.
> Good tips.
> I'm sure there are exceptions, but in my experience, and with a few
> exceptions[1], if you find yourself compiling a tarball[2] to install a
> package on Debian, you're almost certainly solving the wrong problem.
> That is, you really, really want to stay within the package regime if
> reasonably possible.

First off:  I agree with this completely.

However, I'd like to hammer down _why_ this is recommended.
Particularly in light of an apparently emergent business model of
providing alternative packaging for various application stacks.

Off the top of my own head, advantages of PMSing (going through your
package management system):

  - PMSing buys you bug updates, security updates, bugtracking, and
    issue resolution through your PMS system.  Not PMSing requires you
    to keep on top of bug updates for all locally maintained packages.

  - PMSing buys you 1000+ other maintainers (the package maintainers for
    your distro) who generally track a given package.  Not PMSing
    requires you update and maintain whatever packages you've installed
    locally, meaning keeping up to date with upstream.

  - PMSing buys you many eyeballs, in the form of other users of the
    distro whose experience is going to closely track your own.  Not
    PMSing means you may have introduced quirks in your configuration,
    build, or deployment which aren't part of the standard experience,
    and for which you've got the joy of discovering on your own.

  - PMSing buys you an existing relationship between your packages'
    maintainers, and the upstream maintainers of those packages.
    Upstream is more likely to listen to Joe Major Distro maintainer,
    and be responsive to emails, than Joe Random User.  Will vary, of

  - PMSing buys you one-point shopping for updates and upgrades.  Rather
    than finding, tracking, downloading, compiling, fixing, and
    installing a swatch of locally maintained packages, you issue your
    update, (optionally:  download), and install commands.

  - PMSing, on a Policy-based distro, buys you Sane Behavior among
    various installed components.  If packages foo and bar have
    overlapping functionality, PMS either conflicts them (so they can't
    be installed together), isolates the common components (so that this
    can be handled independently of the remainder of the package(s)), or
    handles preferences for which package should take precedence over
    the other (e.g.:  installing multiple X Display Managers ([gkwx]dm)
    but specifying one as the preferred option).

    Not PMSing introduces the possiblity that externally sourced
    packages conflict with other PMS software, or each other.  In ways
    which result in the dreaded Finger Pointing Loop Condition (FPLC).
    You've got a system serving two masters, and that's a tough call.

On the plus side:

  - Not PMSing allows you to track current, experimental, or
    not-yet-packaged software.  A sane Policy-based system will provide
    you with an installation area (e.g.:  /usr/local/, /opt/) under
    which all management is handled locally, rather than by the PMS, and
    for which the PMS is forbidden from making any potentially harmful
    changes.  E.g.:  Debian policy allows for creating certain
    subdirectories under /usr/local, but not for the creation of files,
    or for deleting files or directories.

There are also ways of gaining better management over unpackaged
software, including tools to create packages (e.g.:  alien), tools to
manage installation / removal (GNU stow), and tools to register
capabilities of unpackaged, but installed, software (e.g.:  Debian's


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