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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: problematic computer (when installing linux)
      (Jonathan Stickel)
   2. Re: problematic computer (when installing linux) (Mark K. Kim)
   3. Samba print problem (Richard Harke)
   4. Re: problematic computer (when installing linux) [fixed]
      (Dylan Beaudette)
   5. Re: problematic computer (when installing linux) [fixed]
      (Rick Moen)


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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 19:42:12 -0800
From: Jonathan Stickel <jjstickel@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: [vox-tech] problematic computer (when installing linux)
To: dylan@iici.no-ip.org,	lugod's technical discussion forum
	<vox-tech@lists.lugod.org>
Message-ID: <419AC894.6030609@sbcglobal.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Can I assume you've googled about your particular hardware?  Maybe your
CD/DVD just won't play nice with DMA.  One thing worth trying is to see
how your computer behaves with KNOPPIX.  When booting knoppix, do:

knoppix dma

to enable dma support of your drives.  If everything works, then you
know your hardware is OK as long as it gets detected/configured properly.

HTH,
Jonathan


Dylan Beaudette wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> I have a machine here that is starting to drive me crazy. It is a Compaq
> Pentiumm III class machine, with integrated everything, and a funky case.
>
> I have tried just about every flavor of linux, and only 1 (SUSE 9.1) would
> even install. Even after I installed it, any attempts by the OS to enable
> DMA access to one of the CDROMS led to a nasty crash.
>
> The CD drives function perfectly from windows, and in SUSE 9.1 when in it
> DMA mode...However, every linux install CD barfs about half way though the
> install process...
>
> The offending IDE controller is an Intel 82801AA.
>
> So it has come down to a couple options:
> 1. use windows, and put up with all the crap associated with it (obviously
> not ideal)
>
> 2. re-install SUSE 9.1 and put up with broken DVD playback (needs DMA) and
> funky sound
>
> 3. replace some of the hardware and install Debian / Yoper
>
> My question to the list is: Does anyone know where one can get a hold of
> some decent pentium III class hardware that I can use to put together a
> working machine. Ideally a mini Shuttle-type system would be ideal, but
> they seem to price out at about $400 minimum.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> thanks,
>
> Dylan
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 21:30:17 -0800 (PST)
From: "Mark K. Kim" <lugod@cbreak.org>
Subject: Re: [vox-tech] problematic computer (when installing linux)
To: "lugod's technical discussion forum" <vox-tech@lists.lugod.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0411162128001.29941@bolt.sonic.net>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

While you're checking for DMA, see if Windows uses DMA, too.  If Windows
does but Linux can't, then there's a problem.  To check it, go to [Control
Panel] -> [System] -> [Device Manager] -> select the IDE controllers ->
[Properties] -> second tab.

:: why do i know these things off the top of my head...? -_-' ::

-Mark


On Tue, 16 Nov 2004, Jonathan Stickel wrote:

> Can I assume you've googled about your particular hardware?  Maybe your
> CD/DVD just won't play nice with DMA.  One thing worth trying is to see
> how your computer behaves with KNOPPIX.  When booting knoppix, do:
>
> knoppix dma
>
> to enable dma support of your drives.  If everything works, then you
> know your hardware is OK as long as it gets detected/configured properly.
>
> HTH,
> Jonathan
>
>
> Dylan Beaudette wrote:
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > I have a machine here that is starting to drive me crazy. It is a Compaq
> > Pentiumm III class machine, with integrated everything, and a funky
case.
> >
> > I have tried just about every flavor of linux, and only 1 (SUSE 9.1)
would
> > even install. Even after I installed it, any attempts by the OS to
enable
> > DMA access to one of the CDROMS led to a nasty crash.
> >
> > The CD drives function perfectly from windows, and in SUSE 9.1 when in
it
> > DMA mode...However, every linux install CD barfs about half way though
the
> > install process...
> >
> > The offending IDE controller is an Intel 82801AA.
> >
> > So it has come down to a couple options:
> > 1. use windows, and put up with all the crap associated with it
(obviously
> > not ideal)
> >
> > 2. re-install SUSE 9.1 and put up with broken DVD playback (needs DMA)
and
> > funky sound
> >
> > 3. replace some of the hardware and install Debian / Yoper
> >
> > My question to the list is: Does anyone know where one can get a hold of
> > some decent pentium III class hardware that I can use to put together a
> > working machine. Ideally a mini Shuttle-type system would be ideal, but
> > they seem to price out at about $400 minimum.
> >
> > Any ideas?
> >
> > thanks,
> >
> > Dylan
> > _______________________________________________
> > vox-tech mailing list
> > vox-tech@lists.lugod.org
> > http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
> >
> _______________________________________________
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 23:54:17 -0800
From: Richard Harke <rharke@earthlink.net>
Subject: [vox-tech] Samba print problem
To: "lugod's technical discussion forum" <vox-tech@lists.lugod.org>
Message-ID: <200411162354.17699.rharke@earthlink.net>
Content-Type: text/plain;  charset="us-ascii"

I have samba set up on my linux box so my wife can print from Windows.
Currently, it is not working from her laptop running Windows XP
When I double click the printer icon on the network panel, a window opens
up to show her print jobs on my machine but the title bar contains
"Access denied"
In the log (log.smbd) on my machine I see
smbd/service.c:make_connection(77)
     suelaptop (192.168.0.33) couldn't find service ::{ bunch of hex}
then
           lib/fault.c:fault_report(36)
===============================
           lib/fault.c:fault_report(37)
       INTERNAL ERROR : Signal 11 in pid 4148 (3.0.4 Debian)
       Please read the appendix Bugs of the Samba HOWTO collection

I couldn't find such an appendix     Does anyone have any idea?

Richard Harke


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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 10:41:54 -0800
From: Dylan Beaudette <dylan@iici.no-ip.org>
Subject: Re: [vox-tech] problematic computer (when installing linux)
	[fixed]
To: "lugod's technical discussion forum" <vox-tech@lists.lugod.org>
Message-ID: <200411171041.54539.dylan@iici.no-ip.org>
Content-Type: text/plain;  charset="iso-8859-1"

On Tuesday 16 November 2004 07:42 pm, Jonathan Stickel wrote:
> Can I assume you've googled about your particular hardware?  Maybe your
> CD/DVD just won't play nice with DMA.  One thing worth trying is to see
> how your computer behaves with KNOPPIX.  When booting knoppix, do:
>
> knoppix dma
>
> to enable dma support of your drives.  If everything works, then you
> know your hardware is OK as long as it gets detected/configured properly.
>
> HTH,
> Jonathan

Thanks Jonhathan!

I was hoping to install debian on this machine from the netinst Sarge RC1
netinst CD:

in order to disable DMA you must start the 'expert' installer, and pass
ide=nodma to the IDE modules.... so far so good!
However, things got messy when some packages refused to install (exim4 and
some others...) so i gave up on debian.

With the Yoper 2.1 CD, i was able to boot and install the system with the
boot
arguments 'novesa ide=nodma'

After the install everything seems to be in working order!!

What did we learn about all of this...?
1. on this particular machine (possibly funky CDROM drives that don't like
DMA) passing the parameter 'ide=nodma' got the install going. once the
system
was booted, i re-enabled DMA for the hard disk, but not for the CDROM
drives.

2. I will check on the DMA status while in whindows, and write back with my
findings (thanks for the idea Mark!)


--
Dylan Beaudette
Soil Science Graduate Group
University of California at Davis


> Dylan Beaudette wrote:
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > I have a machine here that is starting to drive me crazy. It is a Compaq
> > Pentiumm III class machine, with integrated everything, and a funky
case.
> >
> > I have tried just about every flavor of linux, and only 1 (SUSE 9.1)
> > would even install. Even after I installed it, any attempts by the OS to
> > enable DMA access to one of the CDROMS led to a nasty crash.
> >
> > The CD drives function perfectly from windows, and in SUSE 9.1 when in
it
> > DMA mode...However, every linux install CD barfs about half way though
> > the install process...
> >
> > The offending IDE controller is an Intel 82801AA.
> >
> > So it has come down to a couple options:
> > 1. use windows, and put up with all the crap associated with it
> > (obviously not ideal)
> >
> > 2. re-install SUSE 9.1 and put up with broken DVD playback (needs DMA)
> > and funky sound
> >
> > 3. replace some of the hardware and install Debian / Yoper
> >
> > My question to the list is: Does anyone know where one can get a hold of
> > some decent pentium III class hardware that I can use to put together a
> > working machine. Ideally a mini Shuttle-type system would be ideal, but
> > they seem to price out at about $400 minimum.
> >
> > Any ideas?
> >
> > thanks,
> >
> > Dylan
> > _______________________________________________
> > vox-tech mailing list
> > vox-tech@lists.lugod.org
> > http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
>
> _______________________________________________
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 11:32:15 -0800
From: Rick Moen <rick@linuxmafia.com>
Subject: Re: [vox-tech] problematic computer (when installing linux)
	[fixed]
To: vox-tech@lists.lugod.org
Message-ID: <20041117193215.GA28734@linuxmafia.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

Quoting Dylan Beaudette (dylan@iici.no-ip.org):

> in order to disable DMA you must start the 'expert' installer, and
> pass ide=nodma to the IDE modules.... so far so good!  However, things
> got messy when some packages refused to install (exim4 and some
> others...) so i gave up on debian.
>
> With the Yoper 2.1 CD, i was able to boot and install the system with
> the boot arguments 'novesa ide=nodma'

These kernel command-line arguments to selectively disable some of the
sometimes-problematic hardware autorecognition routines (plus ACPI,
etc.) can be really, really useful in installing modern Linux
distributions onto (in particular) older boxes.  Vexingly[1], though,
they _aren't standardised_.  Grrr!

Have a look at the famous "Knoppix cheatcodes" list:
http://www.knoppix.net/docs/index.php/CheatCodes

As comprehensive as the Knoppix list is, your "novesa" and "ide=nodma"
appear nowhere on it:  Instead of "novesa", you would say
"xmodule=[SomeModuleName]".  Instead of "ide=nodma", you would say
"nodma".  So, I have to wonder:  Where are these differences between /
among distributions entering into the picture?

The reason this has come forcefully to my attention is that this guy
wrote to me in e-mail, a couple of weeks ago:
http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=15125#post15125

He's brand-new to Linux, and had found my Web page[2] concerning Linux
suport for the Dell Inspiron 7000 laptop, which he also owns -- and on
which I've run Debian happily for many years.

He attempted to install the Debian-derived Ubuntu Linux distribution,
and got this:

  cdrom-detect: searching for Ubuntu installation media
  ide-cd 0x28 timed out
  hdc: DMA interrupt recovery
  hdc: lost interupt
  hdc: status error 0x58 drive ready seekrequest datarequest
  hdc: status error 0x00
  hdc: drive not ready for command

As it turned out, he was able to get around the problem by swapping
CD-ROM drives for one of a different BIOS rev. (as reported on the
above-mentioned Ubuntu Linux thread), but one of the suggestions I was
going to make was to try the installer with IDE DMA disabled.

Which begs the question:  How does one do that on arbitrary Linux
distributions, if they all implement kernel command-line options
differently?  (Yes, I do know that more-conservative Linux
distributions' kernels disable fancy addressing modes for IDE, by
default.)

[1] As opposed to "vox-ingly".
[2] http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/inspiron7000.html

--
Cheers,              "Plus ça change...."
Rick Moen
http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/pictures/1861-versus-2004.jpeg
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